DragonFlyBSD

Wow!

I haven't heard of dma, but I like the idea. I don't need sendmail on
boxes other than the mail server. For all other boxes a local delivery
is enough.

Does that mean we get rid of sendmail someday? I mean, it can always be
installed from pkgsrc.

Next replace named/bind by a caching-only proxy. I don't see a reason to
include a DNS server, but for example no web-server. Other examples are
ntpd.

Regards,

Michael

Hi,

That's the reason why corecode@ and me wrote dma :)

This is the long term goal. If dma(8) is considered stable enough we
hook it up to the build as a sendmail replacement.

I'm not sure about that one. You can't compare BIND with sendmail in
terms of users. Most people don't need a caching-proxy and
they're fine without BIND. But the admins who use it (like me) are very
happy that a full nameserver is included in the base.

http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/commits/2008-02/msg00002.html
:P

Regards

Matthias

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:57:57 +0100, Matthias Schmidt wrote:

Kind of same argue for anyone that want to have MTA (sendmail) in base
system. If you tell me to use pkgsrc, then why not use BIND in pkgsrc? I
can keep going on. :-) Honestly, I always want FreeBSD to get rid of
sendmail, BIND and others to get us to use ports/packages instead.

Cheers,
Mezz

This looks awesome. Definitely put it into the source tree.

I don't think we can remove sendmail from the base system in this 
    upcoming release, but I'll bet we would be able to remove it (or at
    least make it optional) for the mid-year release.

DMA needs to support local .forward files to really be considered
    a complete local-delivery-capable agent.  It may be possible to leverage
    existing local delivery agents (without pulling in all of sendmail) for
    that purpose, or as part of your project to write your own local delivery
    agent that DMA can pipe into.

It also occurs to me that DMA could have integration options for
    postfix and sendmail with a simple dma.conf line, to smooth things
    over during the transition.  So, for example, this would allow all
    local mail to just route through DMA natively and yet not require
    people to translate their sendmail configs/aliases/special-features
    by simply forwarding anything it doesn't understand to a real MTA.

Finally, note that if DMA doesn't listen to port 25 it will not be
    able to implement reverse authentication, so its remote delivery options
    are fairly limited.   That's mostly covered by using SMARTHOST, though,
    so it may not be a big deal.

This level of work should definitely be put in the source tree 
    (/usr/src/bin, not contrib) and worked on in-place.

-Matt
                    Matthew Dillon 
                    <dillon@backplane.com>

Thanks :)

That was also my intention. dma surely has some bugs which need to be
fixed until we officially announce it.

corecode and me already had a discussion about implementing .forward
support. I think we'll come up with a solution within the next weeks.

ack.

Regards

Matthias

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H, Matthias,

(Your mail server seems to have rejected my e-mail...)

Here is a patch that cleans it up. It will be possible to compile
without warnings on FreeBSD with the patch, but I think it is also
useful for DragonFly as well.

Cheers,
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Xin LI <delphij@delphij.net> http://www.delphij.net/
FreeBSD - The Power to Serve!
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Hi,

Hmm, I can't find any entries in my log files. Maybe Matt's machine
(crater) or another intermediate machine refused your mail ...

Thanks for the fixes. I'll apply it, test and then commit the changes
later.

regards

Matthias

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After some investigation on this issue it turns out that I was using a
too tight SPF policy, and Matt's machine is doing a 'forward' for
@dragonflybsd.org e-mails. I am requesting for a PTR RR for my mail
server and my ISP told me that it would take some time :( I will try
alternative ways to send you e-mail anyway.

Thanks!

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Xin LI <delphij@delphij.net> http://www.delphij.net/
FreeBSD - The Power to Serve!
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